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10 Films Movie Buffs Will Say They’ve Seen, Even If They Haven’t

Remember that time when you were sitting around talking movies with a few friends, and then suddenly that movie comes into the dialogue? You know, that movie. It’s the movie that the rest of your cohorts begin to laud or defame as either a “cinematic milestone” or “hugely overrated,” while you sit there, clueless, and soak up their opinions because you’re supposed to have seen it. Well no worries, we’ve all got that movie, if not more, and what follows is a dedication to those movie buffs who are a bit too proud to admit that they’re not as up on the coveted classic film canon as most would expect. On the other hand, you could just be one of many average film goers who couldn’t care less what movie snobs said if you hadn’t seen a film, and that’s just peachy too.

In no particular order:

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Citizen Kane (1941): First off, I’ll admit that this film’s presence on this list is entirely dependent on the kind of film goer you are. One might not lie about having seen this film if attending (or having attended) film school, or any film class for that matter, simply because there’s an extremely high probability that they’ll wind up seeing it in that environment at some point or another. However, given the film’s legendary status among most other movie buffs, there also exists a rather high probability that anyone who hasn’t seen it wouldn’t like to admit otherwise.

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Lawrence of Arabia (1962): There are cinephiles out there who consider this to be one of the “greatest films of all time,” and when a tag like that is placed upon any film, it becomes that much easier to simply take their word for it. It’s not exactly twisted logic. When enough people share a common positive or negative opinion on a film (particularly an old one), it’s just a lot more convenient for someone who hasn’t seen it to write it off as such, and let it get lost in the mix of their “movies to see” category. Also, like Kane, the aura of near-perfection that has surrounded this film certainly makes it taboo to have not seen it.

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Full Metal Jacket (1987): With films from Orson Welles and David Lean on the list, it was only a matter of time before we came to Kubrick, and I tread over this film with a sort of “half in, half out” mentality. This is mainly due to the fact that, while the overall film is considered a war classic, it’s only the film’s first half that does such an assessment justice. R. Lee Ermey’s Gny. Sgt. Hartman is an oft quoted role that Ermey never really left behind, making the “boot camp” half of the film unmissable. However, while one may take the time to watch this half, the other half remains completely forgettable, and therefore often unreferenced and unwatched by many a film buff.

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Gone with the Wind (1939): Yet another one of those “Best Films Ever Made” caliber movies. The same rules apply to this as did Kane and Lawrence. It’s also important to note that, to most of today’s viewers, films from Hollywood’s Golden Age carry with them an air of overblown melodrama (particularly the romantic affairs) that might lead one to skip a film like this and say it’s great because they’ve been told so.

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Network (1976): Peter Finch. Peter fucking Finch. With Sunday’s Oscar ceremony rearing its head, I’ve certainly heard his name being tossed about here and there, due to Heath Ledger’s posthumous nod. Finch is the only actor to win a posthumous award to date, and his famous “mad as hell” monologue is more than deserving. Having been released in a decade wrought with now classic films, Network can become lost amidst a list of equally great films, making it a hard one to catch for some viewers.

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The Birth of a Nation (1915): Cinema going crazy-go-nuts for controversy was just as true in 1915 as it is now, with D.W. Griffiths’ Birth of a Nation being a keystone example. While I don’t condone age discrimination when it comes to movies, this one is fast approaching its centennial, naturally making it conflict with the short attention spans of the new millenium. Having only seen it because it was part of a film class curriculum, it strikes me as a film that most audiences in the modern age of Obama wouldn’t take their free time to watch. On the other hand, its value in the scope of film history makes it something most buffs would consider a must-see.

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One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (1975): For a while, this was that film for me. I’d slip into conversations about Nicholson time and time again, only to fake my love for his performance as R.P. McMurphy, simply because I hadn’t gotten around to seeing just how awesome it actually is. Why did I not fess up? Mainly because, well, it’s Jack baby, and vintage Jack at that; I just didnt feel like putting up with people explaining that to me, over and over again. For me, this film fits the same bill as Network, as its place in time gives it a tendency to drown in a sea of other classics from the 1970s.

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The Seven Samurai (1954): Why do cinephiles consider it a classic? Two words: Akira Kurosawa. Why wouldn’t a cinephile admit they haven’t yet? Two words: Akira Kurosawa.

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2001: A Space Odyssey (1968): Oh, Stanley. Most movie buffs always have, and always will get weak in the knees over all things Kubrick. Whether or not this praise is actually deserved is another topic for another day, but in any case Kubrick will find his way into any lengthy conversation on films, directors, cinematography — you name it. It’s because of this that his often considered “masterpiece,” 2001, is deemed sacrosanct by most buffs, making it a tad difficult for one to admit missing it without some degree of pretentious, movie geek backlash.

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Any DeNiro/Pacino film (1970s- The early ’80s): Okay, so I’m definitely cheating with this one. Sue me. While most may have seen tons of films starring these two fellas, this item sits on the list because there are undoubtedly one or two films that get overlooked. However, most of Bobby and Al’s body of work from this time period is highly cherished in the wider scope of cinema, and consequently, some don’t really feel like explaining why we haven’t seen this or that performance. I’ll admit to having not seen films like Serpico in their entirety, and it even took me a couple times to get through Raging Bull (not because I didn’t enjoy it, mind you, I just kind of missed it for a time). Being the undisputed heavyweights of an era that is considered Hollywood’s second Golden Age, these two men made their performances hard to skip, and continue to remind us that there was a time before 88 Minutes and Righteous Kill.

So how about it, kids? What did I miss, and what are some of the films you’d previously fibbed about? Sound off.

- Conor O’Donnell

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  • matt v
    seen all of them
  • I find myself lying about seeing more mainstream movies. I guess that says something about my group of friends. I've seen most of these (I swear), but most of the people I know haven't, unfortunately.
  • Man, I've lied about seeing over half of these movies. You got me...
  • Jon
    i'd add nosferatu: a symphony of horror
  • Ruth
    I'm guilty of saying that I've seen 2001 when I've only seen the first 40 minutes and the last 30 minutes.
    The list is pretty much dead-on.
  • Charlie
    Oh god, I haven't seen a lot of these. :$ hehe, well i guess having a bunch of great movies still to see for the first time isnt really the end of the world!
  • Alice
    lmao at number 1. And guess what? I actually have be meaning to see a whole bunch of movies that fall under this catagory. How embarrassing. :)
  • Greg
    Thats a great list because beforing seeing Gone with the Wind and Lawrence of Arabia I lied about both. Now I have seen both of them, Lawrence of Arabia I enjoyed, Gone With the Wind, not as much. Other films on this list I have seen: Full Metal Jacket, 2001, Cuckoo's Nest, DeNiro/Pachino (Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull).
  • Just as a side note:
    The only one I haven't seen on this list yet is Full Metal Jacket. I haven't gotten around to it, but it's on my Netflix list. But I will; scout's honor.

    Still ticked that Network lost to Rocky...a former film student.
  • Great list. I would add:

    Psycho
    The Battleship Potempkin
    Chinatown
    The Shining
    Some Ozu film
    8 1/2
    Rashomon
    any French film from 1930-1970.
    Superfly
  • Mike G
    Someone was right to suggest adding Chinatown. I'll add "Deerhunter" and "Deliverance."
  • 2 films
    gone with the wind and birth of a nation are the only films i havent seen on the list
  • Connor
    I havent seen Seven Samurai(I know, I need to immediately) I dont care if I ever see all of Gone With the Wind. I have network but I havent watched it yet. All of the other films Ive seen.
  • Aparna
    After reading all of your comments, I realized that I thought I knew more about cinema and films than I actually did. So many of the points Roberto and the others brought up made sense to me and now I'm definitely going to make a bigger effort to look for underlying themes within these and other films.

    I'm only 16 years old and I became interested in films, REAL films, through my brother who is an aspiring filmmaker. It's hard for me to discuss movies with my friends since most of them don't understand my taste in movies.

    Out of all of the films listed here, I've only seen Citizen Kane, Full Metal Jacket, 2001, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Lawrence and Gone With the Wind are both sitting on my desk but I haven't gotten around to watching these movies since they're almost 4 hours long.

    If any of you have recommendations please post back! I'm trying to increase my cinematic knowledge :)
  • Tarkovsky put me to sleep. Then again, I've only had the disadvantage of seeing Andrei Rublev.

    Maybe I missed something after the middle of the film, but it was just a long, sprawling, absurd foray into the life of someone that wasn't that interesting to begin with. (My opinion, not fact)

    Where was the humanity, or heart in that one? I'm not saying someone is stupid if they like it, or that I'm superior because I don't. I'm just wondering if someone could pinpoint the significance of that film?

    Anyone?
  • Marcolopolis
    The only ones that should be up there should be Seven Samurai and Birth of a Nation, everything else is pretty cmmon viewing.
  • Kaaarl
    If you feel the need to lie about seeing not seeing a film, just shoot yourself. You are pretty low on the character scale.

    Netflix exists. See them all.

    I have and can't say I think they are all fabulous. I have to put them in context of their time. Citizen Kane is pretty boring by today's standards but I can imagine it was ground breaking at the time.

    The Seven Samurai is weird as a film, you have to give it some license, but has been mirrored by Peckinpah and others in every Western.

    There was a different level of art in the time of each of these movies. Lawrence of Arabia, man, what a film!
  • Chris
    Sad thing is this list is pretty accurate. However, I have not seen Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind (in all honesty, I don't have much interest), or The Birth of a Nation. I bought the Criterion Collection of Seven Samurai yesterday, though, so I am going to see that soon.
  • We wonder how many people have actually seen these movies in a MOVIE THEATER on a huge screen the way they were intended to be seen?

    Seeing them on a TV set (even a 40 inch plasma screen) doesn't count.

    Lawrence of Arabia or 2001 on a screen smaller than about 50 feet wide is a joke: they just don't make sense aesthetically any more.

    Our guess would be that VERY FEW have seen these as they were made and intended.

    Even Birth of a Nation must be seen in a theater (with the full tinted and toned prints) to have its full power appreciated. Somehow watching those tiny images on a TV loses something.
  • martin
    i would add on:
    the third man
    chinatown
    good will hunting
  • Al
    As film buff some of those films I have seen multi times , some I consider only seeing once:
    The Birth of a Nation was D.W. Griffiths ground breaking epic, but the second part of it , even ignoring the racial overtones, is really pretty dull. I have seen it only one time.
    Gone with the Wind is not really a very good film, well made, and looks great, the second half and Vivien Leigh as Scarlett is a better story, Leigh was one of those great British actors, Clark Gable on the other hand was a wooden Indian of an actor until the last few movies of his life. He was ok in comedies at that time. I have watched GwtW maybe four times and get more bored with it each time.
    Lawrence of Arabia I have watched several times , watched it again about a month ago it has lost some of its luster for me some parts of it don't work as well as when I first saw it in 62.
    2001 and The Seven Samurai I have probably watched so many times I can't count them.
    Dr. Strangelove and Paths of Glory ought to be on that list.
    I have watched Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon more than Seven Samurai! It is almost a perfect film, also on that list ought to be Kurosawa's Ikiru and about a dozen later films he made.
    Satyajit Ray's films are sublime and hardly ever mentioned, the World of Apu trilogy makes Slumdog Millionaire look like third rate film making, Pather Panchali is another almost perfect film.
    A whole lot of really fine and wonderful foreign films left off that list!
    Any really film buff would know them.
  • I think one you missed is Nashville or just about anything by Robert Altman. Takes a real appreciation to enjoy them which I never had, although I can say the same thing about CK. I know why they are good, I just don't care.
  • Roberto
    With Kubrick, most have to explain how the sterility in his films is the focal point, through themes or disaffected people or blahblahblah. Bresson on the other hand brings exceptional warmth to humanity (Capra's good for this) when he strips away the acting. There isn't overt emotion, but anyone can tell that his cast isn't reading statements - that there's more to it in the most subtle way, even if you don't understand French. He's my favourite director so what I say about him is horribly biased, I'm afraid. Maybe it's who they turn their eye towards? Kubrick has concepts and Bresson has the people. For Bresson, it's a style, while with Kubrick, we have an inflation of everything wrong that they teach in film schools. Funny, since Kubrick never went. Controlling your cast's every emotion, planning out films and scenes to a t etc. Hitchcock was the same, only he dabbled in murder mysteries instead of the 'important' topics.

    And while the rest may have a thread in common when it comes to their films or styles, Cassavetes is the odd one out in your list. He's Kubrick's polar opposite. His spontaneity and heart-of-the-moment-with-an-eye-for-the-truth directorial style is what sets him apart from almost everyone. I know you're talking about them in terms of how much humanity their films possess, but I didn't see this as an apt comparison.

    Even so, I still have a waning appreciation for 2001 (I'm also one of those Barry Lyndon fans) for its purely visual approach.

    @ Simon
    As for why someone would die watching a Tarkovsky if they fell asleep during 2001 - I, on the other hand, find that Tarkovsky's are indeed much slower paced, mainly because they don't focus on drawn out actions and happenings (docking of the shuttle, travelling through the star gate). They tend to detail states of mind and who we are rather than what we do.
  • Mike
    Oh sorry, you used the word "humanity" not "heart".

    I'd argue that Kubrick's work has as much humanity as Ozu, Tarkovsky, Kiarostami and Cassavetes. Strange that you don't lump Bresson with Kubrick; two directors who often (incorrectly) get touted as being cold and dispassionate.

    As for Hitchcok and Welles- two directors you accuse of essentially being "heartless artists" that one "eventually grows out of- well, I guess I agree with that. I was never a fan of either, though I adore Vertigo and Chimes at midnight. But as you say, both directors are mostly celebrated for their technique.
  • Al
    The posted is list is kind of silly, it's not really a 'film buff's' list, 10 films only , a conscience list like the BFI publishes is a better measure.

    http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/

    Check former years too...and the extended lists.
  • Simon
    Roberto, why would someone 'die' watching a Tarkovsky film, if they fell asleep during "2001"? I don't find any of his films to be particually more slow paced than Kubrick's "2001". So out of curiosity, please tell me why people would 'die' during a Tarkovsky film - if we compare them to "2001", not Kubrick in general!
  • Turkish
    Citizen Kane was bland and boring a shit, yeah that's my mature argument.
  • Roberto
    Well, I never used the word "heart." Dan did. But if he's referring to the (admittedly vague) concepts I decried Psycho and Kane for lacking - humanity, life, emotion and reality - I'd say you would be better off looking up some of those directors I mentioned than having me describe to you what's 'right' about them. I had to persist for a year or two before I could grasp most of them and I've constantly developed my ideas about them, but I started youngish, and how quickly you'll gain their benefits really depends on your approach and background. I also think someone's more likely to stumble upon Citizen Kane or Gone With the Wind than A Story of Floating Weeds or The Sacrifice, which is why I always try to call attention to directors of those (undeservedly) obscure works.

    Hitchcock (as an example) is all about artifice, manipulation and efficacy. It makes for compelling thrillers (for most), because we're all treated in the same way by the editing, the music and the hollow, caricatured 'people' we see acted out. Though I don't care to put them mildly, those are the reasons why people celebrate Hitchcock. They contribute to his storytelling and emotional rollercoaster rides. That, and the fact that he's a technical master. That has nothing to do with whether someone likes Hitch or not nor is anyone 'wrong' to like him, so please don't get my intentions wrong.

    Why do you find the list to be idiotic and worthless, out of interest? Because of the premise or because of the content?
  • Mike
    And so what exactly has "heart", Roberto?
  • Roberto
    You can, and it would be impossible for me to argue against every point in the film where you find it to exhibit this quality, simply because it has so many facets and details.

    I don't think it's without merit - it's a very good film. That's because it tells the story of Kane, his rise to power and his miserable collapse. It's high-brow entertainment, but it's not relatable. Welles made sure, by basing it on Hearst or similar icons, that there would always be a disconnect or a distance between the things we experience in our lives and Kane's relationships and emotions. The acting is often described by detractors as "hammy." Pretty much.

    But I think this kind of concept (relatability to the common man) is best exemplified by comparison/contrast to other, more accomplished films.

    Also, you should rethink your comment on gaf:

    "Watch any film made after Citizen Kane: that movie was influenced by Citizen Kane."

    This is probably true of many American pictures and some from the French new wave. They're the ones ones that use the narrative devices Welles was able to establish like aural bridges, consistently deep focus etc. (At least I think he established those - I'm taking people's word for it and I'm not too interested in this sort of technical aspect to play detective.)

    Ozu, Tarkovsky, Bresson, Bergman, Cassavetes and Mizoguchi certainly weren't. The two Japanese directors started earlier than Wells, but the other four came after him. They're all worth a look in my opinion, if only to experience something different. (But if someone fell asleep during 2001, they'll die during a Tarkovsky.)
    Currently you have Bela Tarr, Abbas Kiarostami and Alexander Sokurov who don't follow Welles (though two have Tarkovsky influences). There are many more to give tribute to, but I think this is enough to prove that statement false.
  • Dan Mecca
    I would argue that there's a whole lotta heart in Citizen Kane actually Roberto...
  • Roberto
    It's a good litmus test, I guess. If a person has to lie about seeing these films then they're probably not film buffs.

    I liked Lawrence of Arabia, loved Seven Samurai, used to love 2001. Hell, I used to think it was top dog.

    I'm starting to believe it's a circular progression. We start out with the childish mindset that Star Wars or Pulp Fiction or whatever barely passable entertainment is king because we think we're entitled to entertainment from all film. We revile the slow, pretentious or "boring" Citizen Kane and 2001 for their lack of action and convention.

    Eventually, we warm up. We want to extend our knowledge of film and we may start with Kubrick or Hitchcock. Pioneers of film! Technical bravado! We think less of those who dismiss them as terrible, because they're most likely the ones with less filmic knowledge than us.

    Finally, you get to a point where you regain that distaste for Kane, or Psycho or whatever else, but for the right reasons. There's absolutely no humanity in them. Nothing about life, nothing emotional, nothing real. I think everyone knows this, but unless we've delved much deeper into film (art really), we'd never come to that realisation.
  • Mike
    This list is idotic and worthless.
  • Great list. This is remarkably accurate and I've been in the position to lie about these before.

    I have not seen Lawrence of Arabia, Full Metal Jacket, Gone with the Wind, Birth of a Nation, Seven Samurai, or 2001.

    That's pretty shocking I know, but I'm working my way through movies like this. I just watched Driving Miss Daisy and Philadelphia for the first time.
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